Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart
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Andrew Taggart
Andrew Taggart, Ph.D. is a practical philosopher, writer, and teacher. After leaving academic life in 2009, he began working with people around the world through philosophical conversation and meditative instruction, asking how the question of how to live can return to everyday life.
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Stop trying to escape total work by optimizing your way out of it
The practical answer from Jonny Miller’s conversation with Andrew Taggart is this: the deepest problem is not simply that you work too much. It is that modern life trains you to experience yourself as a Worker before you are anything else — a doer, improver, achiever, optimizer, strategist, and future-oriented project manager of your own existence.1
That means the usual solutions can become part of the trap. A better calendar, a smarter productivity stack, a more meaningful job, a quantified meditation habit, or a “purpose-driven” career can still leave the same identity intact: I am here to accomplish, improve, produce, and justify my existence through doing.2
Andrew’s challenge is more radical and more useful: learn to notice when work has become your metaphysics — your basic answer to “Who am I?” — and then create enough space for loss, wonderment, practice, relationship, and livelihood to be reorganized around something larger than productivity.3
Use this guide as a field manual for:
- diagnosing total work as an identity pattern, not only a schedule problem;
- recognizing the body signals of being trapped in worker-mode;
- using moments of loss or disorientation without rushing back onto the old horse;
- choosing practices by their telos, not by how impressive they make your spiritual résumé;
- re-entering work, service, and livelihood without turning them back into self-worth projects.
1This is not a treatment protocol for burnout, depression, anxiety, trauma, psychosis, or meditation-related distress. If work, spiritual practice, grief, or existential questioning is destabilizing you, go slowly and seek qualified support.
Diagnose total work as identity, not workload
Andrew defines total work as a historical process that has transformed more and more of life into work and human beings into capital-W Workers — not merely in an economic sense, but in an ontological sense.1
A simple diagnostic is to watch your first thoughts in the morning and the texture of your day. Andrew points to thoughts about projects, deadlines, schedules, targets, strategies, meetings, emails, and future action. He also names the felt state: entrepreneurial fever, overwhelm, stress, burnout, tightness, tension, restlessness, impatience, and the sense of being in a cage without knowing there is another way.4
For NSM readers, that makes total work a nervous-system pattern as much as a worldview. You can look for it in the body:
| Signal | Total-work translation | Better question |
|---|---|---|
| Waking with task pressure | “I am already behind.” | What is here before the day becomes a project? |
| Tight jaw or held breath at the laptop | “My worth is on the line.” | What is the actual task, separated from identity threat? |
| Restlessness during rest | “Rest must justify itself.” | Can this be leisure without needing to become recovery work? |
| Turning hobbies into metrics | “Everything should improve me.” | What is worth doing for its own sake? |
| Pride in exhaustion | “Suffering proves seriousness.” | What would devotion look like without self-erasure? |
This does not mean paid work is bad, ambition is suspect, or discipline is unhealthy. It means the same action can come from different identities. Writing a proposal, caring for a child, building a company, helping a neighbor, meditating, or studying can be done as a total worker trying to secure self-worth — or as a human being participating in a larger life.5
Research on workaholism is not the same as Andrew’s philosophical thesis, but it gives a cautious empirical echo. A meta-analysis by Clark and colleagues found workaholism associated with outcomes such as job stress, work-life conflict, and burnout; that does not prove that all intense work is harmful or that “total work” is a clinical category, but it supports taking compulsive overwork patterns seriously.6
Treat being knocked off the horse as an opening, not a failure
Andrew’s most useful image is the horse. You are riding along toward success, calling, more education, meaningful work, a better biography, and more legitimate achievement. Institutions help you stay on the horse and keep it moving at a good clip.7
Then life knocks you off.
It might be grief, illness, burnout, failure, disillusionment, a strange boredom, a spiritual glimpse, a rupture in identity, or the quiet realization that the life you have been optimizing is too small. Andrew calls this an existential opening: the moment when something in you is curious enough or strong enough not to immediately get back on the horse.7
From there, he names two paths:
- The way of loss. You see that what mattered on the horse is gone, or no longer sufficient, and you cannot return to where you came from. This can include being lost for a time.8
- The way of wonderment. You begin to marvel before what you cannot yet understand. You do not know the answer, but the question itself lights the way.8
The tactical mistake is to treat the opening as a productivity interruption. You get knocked off the horse, then immediately ask: “How do I use this to become more resilient, more focused, more impactful, more fulfilled, or more successful?” That may simply reinstall the rider.
Instead, try these questions:
- What exactly did this rupture make impossible to keep believing?
- Which identity feels threatened: achiever, helper, founder, seeker, expert, good child, indispensable one?
- What am I tempted to rebuild too quickly?
- What would it mean to be lost without making lostness into a new brand?
- What question is alive before I turn it into a plan?
Andrew’s own path includes a major turning point after finishing his Ph.D., when he realized he had no idea what his life was about or why he was doing any of it. He describes that as waking up to scripts that were not of his own choosing.3 The point is not to copy his life. The point is to respect the moment when your inherited script stops working.
Practice
Run the 12-minute total work disidentification audit
Use this when you feel restless, over-identified with achievement, unable to rest, or secretly proud of how much pressure you are carrying.
- List the morning contents. Write down the first five work-like thoughts that appeared today: deadlines, messages, metrics, people to impress, things to fix, or ways to improve yourself.
- Locate the Worker in the body. Notice jaw, eyes, throat, chest, belly, hands, posture, and breath. Name the dominant state: tight, urgent, feverish, collapsed, numb, restless, or impatient.
- Complete the identity sentence. “If I do not keep doing and improving, I fear that I am ___.” Do not polish the answer.
- Name what is not work. Write three things in your life that are not valuable because they make you better, more useful, more impressive, or more productive.
- Ask the live question. Borrow Andrew’s closing prompt: “What is the question to which I am most vibrantly alive?” Sit with it for two minutes without answering.
- Choose one non-totalizing action. Take a walk without tracking it, do one task without self-judgment, rest without optimizing recovery, or help someone without converting it into proof of goodness.
The win is not quitting your job or abandoning ambition. The win is feeling, even briefly, that your existence is larger than the Worker.
Choose practices by telos, not by spiritual résumé
Andrew is interested in psychotechnologies: practices, exercises, disciplines, and spiritual exercises that can bring about a dispositional shift in a person or group.9 Meditation, philosophical conversation, relational practice, breathwork, community, rites of passage, and even surfing can qualify — but only if they actually transform how someone sees and lives, rather than becoming another object of egoic pursuit.10
His key warning is that total work can become spiritualized. The old résumé says: companies, titles, funding, publications, credentials, output. The new résumé says: retreats, hours meditated, ceremonies attended, teachers studied, practices mastered, peak experiences collected.11
That is why he emphasizes telos: the “for the sake of which” a practice is undertaken. This is different from a goal. A goal is often out there in the future. A telos gives the practice its meaning here and now.12
Before adding a practice, ask:
- For the sake of what am I doing this? Relief, status, awakening, healing, belonging, curiosity, avoidance, service, love?
- Does this practice make me more honest, more defended, or more impressive?
- Am I using it to deepen contact, or to avoid grief, conflict, boredom, ordinary responsibility, or uncertainty?
- Who can see my blind spots when I start performing spirituality?
- What would tell me this practice is no longer serving its telos?
This is especially relevant in high-performance communities, where self-transformation can quietly become another optimization domain. Andrew’s critique is not anti-practice. It is anti-hijacking: do not let the ego use meditation, breathwork, therapy, philosophy, or community as a better-decorated cage.11
Start gently before you seek intensity
Andrew is careful about powerful practices. When asked to imagine an “all hands on deck” academy for becoming whole and integrated humans, he begins with a caveat: some practices are powerful and need care, context, and best practices.13
His starting point is surprisingly modest: come as you are, be seen by trustworthy people who can gauge where you are, and begin with concentration if you have never meditated before. Count the breath. Learn to quiet the senses and the mind. Discover, humbly, how wild and overgrown the mind is.14
That caution matters because intense containers can expose people too quickly. Andrew specifically worries about putting people who have lived as total workers into demanding silent retreat structures without sufficient theory, preparation, or support, where nonordinary and destabilizing experiences can occur.14
A safer progression might look like:
- Stabilize attention: simple breath counting, short sits, orienting, walking without headphones.
- Build body literacy: notice tension, restlessness, fatigue, numbness, and the urge to convert every experience into usefulness.
- Practice wise relating: let other people reveal the patterns that solitary practice may not touch.15
- Include healing carefully: work with qualified practitioners when trauma, grief, or long-standing patterns emerge.
- Act in the world slowly enough to see the doer: help, build, serve, or earn without immediately turning action into self-congratulation.16
The contemplative science literature supports caution here without implying that meditation is generally unsafe. Lindahl and colleagues documented a wide range of meditation-related challenges reported by practitioners and teachers, including affective, cognitive, somatic, and perceptual changes; the practical takeaway is not fear, but respect for dose, context, screening, support, and integration.17
Re-enter work without making it your self
A post-total-work life is not a life without action. Andrew is not arguing for passivity. He is asking whether action can happen without the ego immediately claiming: “I did that; therefore I matter.”18
Near the end, he makes an important distinction. Caring for a child, lending a hand, helping people, and creating a genuine community committed to the common good do not need to be called work too quickly. Livelihood is a real and lovely question, but it cannot be asked to hold everything we want from life.5
Use this as a re-entry checklist:
| Domain | Total-work version | Post-total-work experiment |
|---|---|---|
| Livelihood | “My work must give me identity, meaning, status, community, and salvation.” | “How can I earn and contribute without demanding that livelihood answer every existential question?” |
| Service | “I am good because I help.” | “Can help move through me without credit-taking?” |
| Ambition | “My life matters if the outcome proves it.” | “Can I act from devotion and release the fruits?” |
| Practice | “My practice makes me advanced.” | “Does this make me more truthful, loving, and free?” |
| Rest | “Rest makes me more productive.” | “Rest belongs to life, not only to recovery.” |
Andrew leaves listeners with questions rather than a program: What is the question to which you are most vibrantly alive? What question have you been neglecting, overlooking, or forgetting to ask — one that could make all the difference in how you lead your life?19
Those questions are not decorative. They are a way out of total work because they cannot be answered by another task list alone.
Key takeaways
- Total work is not only overwork; it is identifying as a Worker before anything else.
- The body often reveals total work as tightness, urgency, restlessness, impatience, and future-oriented pressure.
- Being “knocked off the horse” can become an existential opening if you do not rush to rebuild the old identity.
- Loss and wonderment are not inefficiencies; they may be the paths by which a larger life becomes visible.
- Psychotechnologies need a clear telos, or they can become spiritualized total work.
- Start with gentle, supported practices before seeking intensity, especially if you are already strained or destabilized.
- Livelihood matters, but it cannot carry every question of meaning, love, identity, community, and wisdom.
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- Read Achieve More by Grinding Less for a practical guide to dropping unnecessary effort without collapsing.
- Read Self-Development Is Flawed for another lens on why endless self-improvement can keep the old identity intact.
- Read Emotional Freedom & Healthy Ambition for a complementary approach to ambition without self-abandonment.
- Read The Art and Science of Interoception for more on sensing internal signals before they drive behavior.
References
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 17:58–23:22. Andrew names Joseph Pieper’s Leisure: The Basis of Culture as one source for the term “total work,” while emphasizing that he develops the concept in his own direction. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 23:56–33:58. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 09:00–12:55. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 20:53–23:22. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 1:38:53–1:43:32. ↩
- Clark, Michel, Zhdanova, Pui, and Baltes’ meta-analysis found workaholism associated with several strain-related and work-life outcomes, including job stress, work-life conflict, and burnout. This is adjacent evidence about compulsive overwork patterns, not proof of Andrew’s broader philosophical thesis. See “All Work and No Play? A Meta-Analytic Examination of the Correlates and Outcomes of Workaholism,” Journal of Management (2016), https://doi.org/10.1177/0149206314522301. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 35:58–39:34. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 39:34–43:32. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 1:02:34–1:08:58. ↩
- Andrew Taggart and Jonny Miller, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 1:01:44–1:09:03. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 1:09:51–1:17:58. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 1:09:51–1:13:31. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 1:27:05–1:28:11. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 1:27:05–1:34:54. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 1:33:58–1:36:21. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 1:35:11–1:37:50. ↩
- Lindahl, Fisher, Cooper, Rosen, and Britton documented meditation-related challenges across domains such as affective, cognitive, somatic, and perceptual experience. The study supports careful preparation and support around intensive practice; it does not imply that meditation is inherently dangerous or clinically contraindicated for everyone. See “The varieties of contemplative experience: A mixed-methods study of meditation-related challenges in Western Buddhists,” PLOS ONE (2017), https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0176239. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 1:38:53–1:41:43. ↩
- Andrew Taggart, Imagining Life Beyond Total Work with Andrew Taggart, 1:46:04–1:47:32. Guest-bio details were cross-checked against Andrew’s public website, https://andrewjtaggart.com/ and https://andrewjtaggart.com/about-2/. ↩