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Inner Transformation Pitfalls: How to Stop Turning Inner Work Into Another Performance

Jonny Miller with Joe Hudson·2025-08-24·Podcast Guide

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Joe Hudson

Joe Hudson is a co-founder of Art of Accomplishment, where he teaches courses and workshops on emotional clarity, leadership, connection, and personal transformation. His work brings together psychological, neurological, somatic, and contemplative practices, with a particular focus on helping leaders and practitioners trust their own direct experience rather than outsourcing authority.

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Episode 73 · Joe Hudson · 1:12:35

Inner transformation gets cleaner when it stops becoming self-improvement theatre

A lot of inner work begins with a sincere wish to become freer, kinder, less reactive, or more alive. The subtle pitfall is that the same machinery that once tried to win at achievement can quietly start trying to win at transformation.

That is the thread running through Jonny Miller’s conversation with Joe Hudson. Joe keeps bringing the work back to direct experience: What emotion is not being felt? Where has the body tightened? Am I trusting my own authority, or trying to borrow someone else’s certainty? Can I enjoy this moment a little more without forcing it?1

This guide is not a shortcut to becoming permanently regulated or spiritually polished. It is a way to notice a few common places where inner work turns into performance, avoidance, or dependency — and to return to something simpler: felt contact, honest emotion, and relational practice. 1A useful test for inner work: does it make you more available to reality, or more preoccupied with becoming a better version of yourself?

Joy needs room for the whole emotional family

Joe’s phrase in the opening section is memorable: joy is “the matriarch of a family of emotions.” In his framing, joy becomes more available when sadness, anger, fear, and grief are allowed back into the house.2

The practical reframe is not that every difficult feeling is secretly pleasant. It is that a large portion of suffering can come from the resistance layered on top of feeling: the jaw tightening around sadness, the mental argument with fear, the shame that says anger should not be here. Research on experiential avoidance points in a similar direction: persistent efforts to escape or suppress private experience can become a maintaining process across many forms of distress, though that literature should not be treated as proof of every transformational claim in the episode.3

In the body, this often looks ordinary:

  • holding the belly so the breath cannot drop;
  • swallowing anger before it reaches the voice;
  • turning grief into analysis;
  • mistaking emotional numbness for maturity;
  • chasing the high after a breakthrough and missing the quieter steadiness underneath.

Joe makes an important distinction between the elation that can accompany a first opening and the more sustainable quality of joy itself. The first time a deeper state becomes available, it may feel expansive, dramatic, even life-changing. Over time, that same territory may feel softer and less cinematic. If you keep chasing the peak, you can miss the integration.4

Safety cannot be forced into the system

Jonny asks Joe about safety because it sits close to the centre of nervous system work. Joe’s answer is intentionally provocative: trying to force safety can itself become a signal to the body that something is wrong.5

A grounded version of this is easy to recognise. If you tell yourself, “Calm down, you’re safe, stop feeling this,” the system may hear pressure rather than reassurance. The shoulders rise. The breath gets thinner. Attention narrows around the project of becoming okay.

Joe points toward a different kind of safety: the recognition that life is not controllable, and that what happens does not require you to abandon yourself. That does not mean ignoring real danger or flooding yourself with experiences you are not resourced to meet. Later in the conversation, Joe explicitly names that intensity can become retraumatising when there is not enough support, containment, or access to ground.6

For NSM readers, this is a useful nuance. Regulation is not the same as making yourself feel safe on command. Often it begins with reducing the secondary threat response: the part that treats fear, grief, or uncertainty as evidence that something has gone terribly wrong.

A simple check:

  • Am I trying to make this feeling leave?
  • Am I using “safety” as another demand?
  • What would it be like to stay with myself for the next three breaths, without needing this to change immediately?

Enjoyment works best as an attention practice

One of the most practical parts of the episode is Joe’s explanation of enjoyment. He distinguishes it from positive thinking or trying to turn every task into bliss, and points instead to a small shift in how attention meets the moment.7

The question is: “How could I enjoy myself just a little bit more right now?”

If that becomes another command, the body constricts. If it is asked with curiosity, it can soften the system by a few degrees. Joe describes his vision expanding, his body relaxing, and his presence with Jonny increasing — without needing the outer situation to change.

This matters because inner transformation often gets framed as a dramatic breakthrough. Joe’s email example is more useful: when he writes with more enjoyment, he may type a little slower, but he uses less energy and often creates less back-and-forth because he is actually present to what the exchange is asking for.8

That is a clean somatic principle. Speed is not the only form of efficiency. Sometimes efficiency is less bracing, fewer avoidance loops, and a cleaner relationship with what is in front of you.

Overthinking often protects an unfelt emotion

Joe is careful not to dismiss reason. He loves clear thinking. The issue he names is “brain-forward” decision-making that tries to make choices while excluding the body, emotion, and relational field.9

There is relevant neuroscience here, but it is easy to overstate. Work associated with the somatic marker hypothesis suggests that bodily and affective signals can contribute to advantageous decision-making, especially under uncertainty. That does not mean “the body is always right” or that logic should be ignored. It does suggest that clean decisions often involve more than verbal reasoning alone.10

The practical implication is modest and powerful: when you notice yourself looping, justifying, or building an increasingly elaborate case, look for the emotion that has not yet been welcomed.

You might ask:

  • What feeling would I have to feel if I stopped explaining this?
  • Where is the charge in my body — throat, chest, belly, jaw, hands?
  • Is my thinking clarifying reality, or helping me avoid a sensation?
  • If the emotion had 10 percent more room, what decision would become obvious?

This does not replace discernment. It makes discernment less defended.

Practice

Use comparison as a doorway into feeling

Joe offers a useful diagnostic: when you notice yourself putting yourself above, below, or even rigidly “equal to” someone else, treat it as a sign that an emotion is being avoided.11

  1. Catch the comparison. Notice the exact flavour: “I’m better than them,” “I’m behind them,” “we’re the same,” or “I need them to see me a certain way.”
  2. Pause the story. Do not argue with the comparison yet. Let the mental explanation go quiet for a few seconds.
  3. Find the body signal. Look for tightness in the throat, heat in the face, collapse in the chest, buzzing in the belly, or pressure behind the eyes.
  4. Name the protected emotion. Try simple words: shame, envy, grief, admiration, fear, tenderness, anger, longing.
  5. Let the emotion have one minute. Breathe normally. Feel the sensation without making it a moral verdict about you.
  6. Re-enter the relationship. Ask: “If I did not need this comparison to protect me, how would I meet this person or situation now?”

This is not a practice for overriding boundaries or excusing harm. It is a way to reclaim the emotional material that comparison is often managing on your behalf.

The teacher trap: becoming important can interrupt growth

The most pointed section of the conversation is about teaching, authority, and the subtle ways people can freeze around an identity.12

Joe describes a teacher as someone on the side of a mountain who stops to help others reach that point. That can be noble. It can also become a place to hide. If the identity of “teacher,” “coach,” “leader,” or “the one who knows” becomes too solid, the person can stop being changed by the work they teach.

Joe names several antidotes:

  • do not take responsibility for another person’s growth;
  • do not take credit when someone has a breakthrough;
  • watch for any sense of being above or below others;
  • allow humour to puncture self-importance;
  • stay willing to be questioned;
  • own the actual power of the role rather than pretending it is not there.13

That last point is especially useful for leaders. Disowning power can look humble, but it often creates more distortion. If people are affected by your decisions, your presence, your feedback, or your silence, then pretending otherwise does not make the field safer. Feeling the bigness of the role can make behaviour more careful, more human, and less defended.

Joe also gives a caution on dependency. Students, clients, teams, and audiences may actively want someone else to become the authority so they can stop carrying the discomfort of their own agency. Good teaching, in this frame, keeps returning authority to the person doing the work.14

Relational work can accelerate what solo practice cannot reach

Near the end, Jonny asks what can be done alone and what requires relationship. Joe’s answer is balanced: some work can only be done alone, and some work becomes much faster with other people.15

Solo practice matters. Breathwork, meditation, journalling, inquiry, and self-guided experiments can build contact with your own system. But relationship gives you live data. Another person’s presence exposes the parts that stay hidden when you are safely alone: the need to perform, the fear of being seen, the impulse to collapse, the boundary you avoid setting, the tenderness that comes up when someone actually stays.

This is consistent with social baseline theory, which suggests that human brains expect access to relationships that help regulate risk and effort. That research does not prove that every group process is useful or safe, but it supports the broader idea that regulation is not purely individual.16

The useful takeaway is not “always do deeper work in groups.” It is more precise: choose the container that matches the material.

  • If you need quiet honesty, solo practice may be enough.
  • If you keep rehearsing insight without changing behaviour, relational practice may help.
  • If you are working with trauma, dissociation, intense panic, or health concerns, choose qualified support rather than trying to push through.
  • If a teacher or group asks you to override your own discernment, slow down.

Inner transformation becomes sturdier when it includes both solitude and contact.

Key takeaways

  • Inner work can become another achievement strategy if the focus shifts from contact to performance.
  • Joe frames joy as more available when the whole emotional family is welcome — not just the pleasant parts.
  • Trying to force safety can create pressure; a deeper safety often begins with not abandoning yourself in uncertainty.
  • Enjoyment can be practised in tiny increments, especially during ordinary work, without manufacturing positivity.
  • Overthinking may be protecting an unfelt emotion; good reasoning often works better when the body is included.
  • Comparison can reveal the emotion you are avoiding in relationship.
  • Teachers and leaders need practices that puncture superiority, dependency, and disowned power.
  • Relational work can accelerate transformation, but the container matters.

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References

  1. Joe Hudson and Jonny Miller, Common Pitfalls on the Path of Inner Transformation, 02:53–03:27, 22:13–25:23, and 29:07–30:09.
  2. Joe Hudson, Common Pitfalls on the Path of Inner Transformation, 03:27–04:29 and 09:27–10:42.
  3. For related clinical context, Hayes et al. describe experiential avoidance as an unwillingness to remain in contact with painful thoughts, emotions, memories, or bodily sensations, and review its relevance across behavioural disorders. See “Experiential avoidance and behavioral disorders,” Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology (1996), https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8991302/. Joe’s claims here are experiential and coaching-oriented, so this citation should be read as adjacent support, not direct proof.
  4. Joe Hudson, Common Pitfalls on the Path of Inner Transformation, 10:59–13:48 and 14:26–16:05.
  5. Joe Hudson, Common Pitfalls on the Path of Inner Transformation, 37:38–40:57.
  6. Joe Hudson and Jonny Miller, Common Pitfalls on the Path of Inner Transformation, 41:01–42:23 and 46:57–48:23.
  7. Joe Hudson, Common Pitfalls on the Path of Inner Transformation, 28:28–30:09.
  8. Joe Hudson and Jonny Miller, Common Pitfalls on the Path of Inner Transformation, 30:23–33:18.
  9. Joe Hudson, Common Pitfalls on the Path of Inner Transformation, 33:18–37:38.
  10. For related decision-making context, Bechara and colleagues found that damage to ventromedial prefrontal regions could impair decision-making on gambling tasks even when working memory was intact, supporting the broader idea that emotion-linked bodily signals can matter under uncertainty. See “Dissociation Of working memory from decision making within the human prefrontal cortex,” Journal of Neuroscience (1998), https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9412519/. For a broader review of interoception’s role in emotion, see Critchley and Garfinkel, “Interoception and emotion,” Current Opinion in Psychology (2017), https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28950976/.
  11. Joe Hudson and Jonny Miller, Common Pitfalls on the Path of Inner Transformation, 53:32–54:40.
  12. Joe Hudson, Common Pitfalls on the Path of Inner Transformation, 49:25–53:32.
  13. Joe Hudson, Common Pitfalls on the Path of Inner Transformation, 54:50–58:37 and 1:00:19–1:04:44.
  14. Joe Hudson, Common Pitfalls on the Path of Inner Transformation, 58:47–1:00:19.
  15. Joe Hudson and Jonny Miller, Common Pitfalls on the Path of Inner Transformation, 1:04:44–1:08:39.
  16. For adjacent research context on why relationship can reduce perceived risk and effort, see Coan and Sbarra, “Social Baseline Theory: The Social Regulation of Risk and Effort,” Current Opinion in Psychology (2015), https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25825706/. This supports the general relational-regulation frame, not a claim that every workshop or group process is inherently beneficial.