Shadow Work and Self-Authorship: A Practical Guide with Erick Godsey
About the guest
Erick Godsey
Erick Godsey is a writer, podcaster, teacher, and host of The Myths That Make Us. His work explores myth, Jungian psychology, dreamwork, Internal Family Systems, behavior change, and how people can discover, articulate, and consciously revise the stories that shape their lives.
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Your nervous system is already authoring a myth; shadow work is how you stop letting the unconscious draft run your life
The practical answer from Jonny Miller’s conversation with Erick Godsey is this: you are not just reacting to reality. You are living inside a story your psyche built to keep you oriented, protected, and emotionally coherent. When that story stops working, the task is not to shame yourself, spiritually bypass the pain, or force a more inspirational belief. The task is to become conscious of the myth you are living, listen to the parts of you that have been exiled, and choose the next true action from a more integrated center.1
Erick frames myths, archetypes, depression, grief, dreamwork, and truth-telling as different doors into the same work: self-authorship. The “shadow” is not only the ugly material you reject. It can also include courage, aggression, grief, desire, love, and purpose that you learned to keep outside awareness because they once felt unsafe.23
Use this guide when you are:
- repeating patterns that feel stronger than your conscious intentions;
- trying to understand a trigger without making it your identity;
- questioning an old life story that no longer fits;
- wanting to journal, work with dreams, or practice parts dialogue without turning it into rumination;
- navigating grief, anger, depression, or despair and needing a grounded next step.
1This is a reflection and practice guide, not medical advice, psychiatric advice, or a substitute for therapy, crisis care, or prescribed treatment. If you are in acute distress, suicidal, experiencing mania or psychosis, changing psychiatric medication, or working with trauma that feels destabilizing, involve qualified support and trusted people.
Audit the myth before you try to fix the symptom
Erick’s core move is to treat a belief as a tool, not a final truth. He describes a pragmatic frame: you cannot perceive “the world” directly; you act through models, maps, and stories. If a story helps you orient, connect, and act cleanly, it may be useful. If it repeatedly produces suffering, avoidance, collapse, or dishonesty, it may be time to revise it.1
That does not mean every painful feeling is “just a story.” Bodies get sick. People need medication, protection, sleep, food, community, and clinical care. Erick’s useful contribution is narrower: when a symptom is entangled with an old identity, a relationship pattern, or an avoided truth, ask what story your system is trying to preserve.
Try a myth audit:
| Signal | Ask | Example |
|---|---|---|
| Repeating conflict | “What role do I keep casting myself in?” | The rescuer, abandoned one, genius, victim, martyr, rebel, performer |
| Overreaction | “What past danger might my body think is happening again?” | Criticism feels like exile; distance feels like betrayal |
| Collapse | “What future did I believe was guaranteed that reality is disproving?” | Career, relationship, identity, status, spiritual certainty |
| Envy or resentment | “What unlived desire is this pointing toward?” | Art, devotion, erotic aliveness, rest, leadership, truth |
| Chronic stuckness | “What part of me benefits from staying here?” | Safety, belonging, control, innocence, not risking failure |
A cautious research bridge: narrative identity research also suggests that people construct evolving life stories that give experience unity, meaning, and direction.4 That does not prove that “rewriting your story” cures illness or trauma. It does support the practical intuition that how you organize your past and future can shape what actions feel available now.
Treat depression and despair as signals to investigate, not identities to obey
One of the sharpest parts of the episode is Erick’s critique of reductionist mental-health narratives. He argues against the oversimplified story that depression is merely a broken machine with low serotonin, and he proposes a more meaning-centered question: where might your life be out of alignment with what your deeper self knows?5
Hold this carefully. Depression is real, can be life-threatening, and can have many contributors: biology, grief, trauma, environment, sleep, loneliness, substances, inflammation, life stress, and more. Medication can be useful for many people, and nobody should start, stop, or change psychiatric medication without medical guidance. Erick himself explicitly leaves room for medication as a stabilizing bridge when someone is too depressed to function.6
The tactical version is not “ignore treatment.” It is:
- Stabilize first. Sleep, food, safety, medical care, therapy, trusted contact, reduced load.
- Then listen. If the symptom could speak, what would it ask you to stop betraying?
- Separate diagnosis from destiny. A label can help you find care; it does not have to become the entire myth of who you are.
- Look for one aligned action. Not a life overhaul. One honest repair, boundary, conversation, walk, appointment, meal, or page of writing.
- Track effects without grandiosity. Did the action increase clarity, capacity, connection, or groundedness? If not, update.
The academic literature is also more complicated than popular serotonin slogans. Reviews have questioned a simple low-serotonin explanation for depression, while the broader evidence around medication, psychotherapy, placebo effects, severity, and individual response remains nuanced.7 That evidence should not be weaponized into “medication is fake” or “you should heal yourself by willpower.” A safer takeaway is: avoid one-factor stories. Depression deserves both compassionate care and honest inquiry into life context.
Dialogue with the part that “takes the throne”
Erick gives a practical primer on Internal Family Systems-style parts work: the psyche can be understood as a “throne room” where different parts take over at different times. A frightened protector, avoidant guardian, inner critic, pleaser, addict, rescuer, or rageful defender may seize the throne and act out a strategy that once made sense.2
The point is not to pathologize yourself into fragments. It is to build enough inner leadership that no single part has to run the kingdom alone.
A parts map can start simply:
| When this happens | The part on the throne might be | It may be trying to protect |
|---|---|---|
| I withdraw from intimacy | The avoider | Not being betrayed, trapped, or humiliated |
| I attack or criticize | The warrior in shadow | Boundaries, dignity, control, not feeling powerless |
| I people-please | The diplomat | Belonging, safety, avoiding abandonment |
| I numb or scroll | The anesthetist | Relief from grief, shame, loneliness, or overwhelm |
| I overthink | The strategist | Certainty before risking action |
IFS and related parts approaches have some preliminary clinical research, but the evidence base is still developing and should be held cautiously.9 For self-practice, keep the frame modest: parts language can help you become curious instead of fused.
A clean parts dialogue has three rules:
- Do not exile the protector. If a part is intense, assume it has a reason before trying to replace it.
- Ask what it is afraid would happen if it stopped. This reveals the nervous-system logic beneath the behavior.
- Let the inner king or queen decide. Hear every part, then choose an action that serves the whole system rather than the loudest fear.8
Practice
Run a 15-minute shadow council
Use this when a reaction feels disproportionate, compulsive, or familiar. Stop if the practice becomes destabilizing, dissociative, or overwhelming.
- Name the scene. Write: “The moment I am working with is ___.” Keep it concrete.
- Name the part on the throne. Give it a neutral label: the Protector, Critic, Pleaser, Warrior, Child, Numb One, Performer, or another name that fits.
- Let it speak uncensored for two minutes. Start with: “I am trying to protect you from ___.” Do not argue yet.
- Ask for the fear beneath the strategy. “If you did not do this, what are you afraid would happen?”
- Ask what it needs from your adult self. Reassurance, a boundary, rest, grief, a direct conversation, a plan, protection, or honest attention?
- Consult the whole kingdom. Ask: “What action would honor this part without letting it run my life?”
- Choose one decree. End with a small embodied action you can take within 24 hours: send the text, cancel the commitment, eat, sleep, apologize, ask for help, write three pages, take a walk, or pause before reacting.
The win is not eliminating the shadow. The win is moving from possession to relationship.
Build a self-authorship ritual stack: journal, dream, truth, heart
When Jonny asks for daily or weekly rituals that “tune up” the psyche, Erick names a four-part path: journaling, paying attention to dreams, speaking and acting truth in love, and learning to lead with the heart rather than only the mind.10
This is where the episode becomes highly tactical.
1. Journal until you stop performing for yourself. Erick’s first major practice came from The Artist’s Way: three longhand pages every morning for twelve weeks. The productivity objection is predictable: “What if this is a waste of time?” Erick’s answer is warrior-like: if you chose the practice because your life needs transformation, stop renegotiating every morning and do the uncomfortable thing.11
2. Track dreams as symbolic feedback. Erick describes dream interpretation as one of the most useful tools he has picked up: not because every dream is objectively divine, but because treating dreams as messages from the deeper psyche has helped him notice when he is out of alignment.12
3. Make truth-telling somatic. He describes learning to feel in his body when he is speaking truth versus playing a social game. That is the NSM-relevant move: authenticity is not only a concept. It becomes an interoceptive signal you can train yourself to notice.13
4. Lead with the heart, not just the strategy mind. For Erick, the “rainmaker” archetype is someone who brings themselves into order and then listens for what the environment needs. In practical terms: regulate, listen, tell the truth, and let the next right action be smaller than your ego prefers.14
A simple seven-day ritual stack:
| Day | Practice | Minimum dose |
|---|---|---|
| Every morning | Longhand journal | 10 minutes or three pages |
| On waking | Dream note | One image, emotion, or fragment |
| Before hard conversations | Body truth check | “What am I afraid to say? What would love say cleanly?” |
| Once daily | Shadow council micro-check | “Who is on the throne right now?” |
| Once daily | Loving service | “What is one thing I can do today for someone else purely from love?”15 |
| Once weekly | Myth review | “What story did I live this week? What story do I want to practice next?” |
| When stuck | Death reminder | “If I knew this sandcastle would be washed away, what would still be worth building?”16 |
A note on psychedelics: Erick and Jonny discuss microdosing and plant medicine in the episode.13 This guide is not recommending illegal substances or unsupervised psychedelic use. If you explore altered states, consider legality, medical contraindications, psychiatric history, trauma history, setting, support, and integration. The lower-risk lesson is available without substances: increase your capacity to feel honestly, then act more truthfully.
Let grief and death clarify what is worth building
Erick’s most useful grief frame is not sentimental. He calls grief “felt evidence that you love” and later describes it as digesting attachment to love that did not get to be expressed.17 That matters because grief often opens the very capacities that defended adulthood keeps sealed: tenderness, devotion, humility, and the lover archetype that can balance an overactive warrior.18
The practical move is to stop treating grief as a detour from the path. Grief may be part of how the path becomes honest.
Try three prompts when grief, death, or existential urgency is present:
- Love: “What love is this grief proving was real?”
- Attachment: “What future, role, identity, or expectation am I being asked to release?”
- Offering: “Given that I will die, what beautiful sandcastle is still worth building today?”16
This is not a demand to turn pain into purpose immediately. Erick’s own story is slower: his childhood pain around his mother’s depression became part of the wound that eventually shaped his work, but he is clear that he cannot save anyone; he can only become more honest and share what has helped him.19
That is a clean standard for self-authorship: do not use your wound to become a savior. Let it make you more precise, compassionate, and responsible.
Key takeaways
- A myth is a working story your psyche uses to orient action; shadow work begins when you notice the story is no longer serving life.
- Depression and despair deserve care, stabilization, and professional support when needed — and they may also contain information about alignment, grief, or an old story breaking down.
- Parts work turns “self-sabotage” into inquiry: what protector is trying to help, and what does adult leadership need to decide?
- Journaling, dream tracking, truth-telling, and heart-led action form a practical ritual stack for self-authorship.
- The goal is not to destroy the ego; Erick describes the ego as a wolf that can be starved into biting or trained to hunt with the soul.20
- Grief is not failure. It can be evidence of love, a digestion of attachment, and a doorway into deeper compassion.
- Death can clarify devotion: build the sandcastle that is beautiful enough to offer before entropy takes it.
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- Read Hero’s Journey to Wholeness for a complementary guide on identity, descent, and returning with greater wholeness.
- Read Wilderness Rites of Passage for Leadership for more on threshold work, shadow, grief, and integration.
- Read The Art and Science of Interoception to deepen the body-based truth sensing Erick describes.
- Read Reset Your Nervous System for simple regulation practices before intense journaling, conflict, or parts work.
References
- Erick Godsey and Jonny Miller, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 11:06–15:55. ↩
- Erick Godsey, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 29:20–36:58. ↩
- Erick Godsey, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 38:00–41:44. ↩
- Dan P. McAdams’ life-story model of identity describes people as constructing internalized, evolving narratives that provide unity and meaning across time. See McAdams, “The Psychology of Life Stories,” Review of General Psychology 5, no. 2 (2001): 100–122, https://doi.org/10.1037/1089-2680.5.2.100. This is a meaning-making lens, not evidence that narrative work alone treats mental illness. ↩
- Erick Godsey, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 17:11–26:19. ↩
- Erick Godsey, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 26:19–27:32. ↩
- For cautious context on the serotonin story, see Moncrieff et al., “The Serotonin Theory of Depression: A Systematic Umbrella Review of the Evidence,” Molecular Psychiatry 28 (2023): 3243–3256, https://doi.org/10.1038/s41380-022-01661-0. This does not imply that individuals should discontinue medication without medical supervision. ↩
- Erick Godsey, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 34:13–36:58. ↩
- Internal Family Systems has early but still limited empirical support. For example, Shadick et al. reported a proof-of-concept randomized trial of an IFS-based intervention for rheumatoid arthritis and called for future efficacy trials. See Shadick et al., “A Randomized Controlled Trial of an Internal Family Systems-Based Psychotherapeutic Intervention on Outcomes in Rheumatoid Arthritis,” Journal of Rheumatology 40, no. 11 (2013): 1831–1841. ↩
- Erick Godsey, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 56:48–1:00:49. ↩
- Erick Godsey, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 1:01:48–1:04:58. ↩
- Erick Godsey, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 1:16:47–1:17:24. ↩
- Erick Godsey and Jonny Miller, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 1:05:10–1:08:04. ↩
- Erick Godsey, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 52:34–55:55. ↩
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- Erick Godsey, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 1:09:32–1:12:25. ↩
- Erick Godsey, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 50:36–51:35 and 1:13:21–1:15:10. ↩
- Erick Godsey and Jonny Miller, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 42:36–48:36. ↩
- Erick Godsey, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 48:36–51:07. ↩
- Erick Godsey, Make Your Myth, Face Your Shadow & Own Your Truth with Erick Godsey, 1:12:56–1:13:21. ↩